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[#其實thank不只是謝謝］

昨晚選完之後 有人開始討論BBC記者的提問，以及口譯的翻譯，在這邊很快也聊聊我的想法。

BBC的記者問蔡總統：

Do you think you have President Xi JinPing to thank for your victory?

大家第一時間想到的意思是：

「你是否要為勝選向習近平道謝？」

但很多人沒想到的是，「thank」這個字本身 #不見得只有謝謝的意思，還有「responsible/表示誰有責任，歸因於誰」的意思。

像一個常見的片語「 thanks to ⋯」，其實可以是中立的含義，「由於某人/某事」的意思。

所以如果後面接的是好事，我們就翻成「多虧」「多謝有誰」（可能因為thank you的關係，這也是我們比較熟悉的用法），比方說：

例1：Thanks to you, we did It! (托你的福，我們成功了）

但是！BUT! thanks to 不見得只能接好事，這時候thank 當然也就不是（我們想當然爾的）「向誰表示感激」之意，比方Cambridge字典的例句：

例2：The baby is awake thanks to you and your shouting. (嬰兒現在醒了，都是你啦，大吼大叫）

退一萬步說，thanks to 本身其實是中立的字眼，表示「由於、歸因於」。既不是感謝誰（如例一）、也不是責怪誰（如例二），之所以會有價值判斷，是我們翻譯有時為了潤飾加上去的。看看下面三個句子（特別是b&c):

a. Thanks to Xi Jinping's visit, Russian-China relations had reached a new height.
「由於習近平到訪，中俄關係到達新境界」

b. Thanks to your help, we did it!
(潤飾前：由於你的協助，我們辦到了。/ 潤飾後：多虧你幫忙，我們成功了！）

c. Thanks to your help, we failed.
（潤飾前：由於你的幫忙，我們失敗了。 / 潤飾後： 都是你插手，我們搞砸了。）

#網友補充：字典裡就找的到「have somebody to thank」的項目，可以接好事也可以接壞事。例：

I have Frank to thank for getting my first job.
(多虧了Frank讓我找到第一份工作。）

He has only himself to thank for the problem.
(有這個問題只能怪他自己。）

所以回到BBC記者的提問，我個人認為是非常高明的：我不否認他應該是故意用thank這個字，讓大家聯想到 #謝謝 ，通常我們只會謝謝對我們好的人，但習明明又是在國際社會上很多人認為跟台灣對立的人，這樣的反差製造了幽默，也是現場（包含總統本人）笑出來的原因。

但巧妙之處就在於，他也可以堅持說thank 這個字本身，是不帶有任何價值判斷的 「負責」，「因為有⋯的關係」。所以口譯如果想要中性處理的話，我可能會說（先聲明，這是事後諸葛，我當下不見得有更好的表現）

#您認為您的勝選是不是跟習近平有關？
（輕描淡寫求安全下莊）

#您的勝選是不是一部分因為習近平的緣故？
（嘴癢想照翻但是小孬孬怕死如我只好自己加上「一部分」三個字）

#您認為這次勝選是不是可以歸功於習近平？💣
（這樣說就有類似原文的效果，但不排除講者可能會否認他有此意，「超譯」的責任就要口譯員擔。）

長期的選戰昨晚告一段落，對勝利者來說應該是歡樂開心的，一般我們也會認為「勝利組」要對「被開玩笑」這件事有更多的雅量，所以BBC記者這樣問，我覺得雖然引起一些爭議，但實在比四平八穩，嚴肅正經的問法有意思的多，在一個開心，甚至有慶功意味的場合，應該沒有那麼嚴重。#真的要care的應該是Xi本人（無誤）

對我們學習者來說，我覺得有幾個啟發：

1. 越簡單的字有時候越難。

2. 多嘗試用英英字典，可以不被翻譯影響，了解一個字最原始的含義。

3. thank後面真的可以接壞事。所以在韓國瑜（原本要舉行但是臨時取消）的國際記者會上，如果記者願意的話，也可以照樣造句問韓市長：

「 Do you think you have President Xi JinPing to thank for your defeat?」

#這時候還會有人說thank是謝謝嗎？

[#其實thank不只是謝謝］

昨晚選完之後 有人開始討論BBC記者的提問，以及口譯的翻譯，在這邊很快也聊聊我的想法。

BBC的記者問蔡總統：

Do you think you have President Xi JinPing to thank for your victory?

大家第一時間想到的意思是：

「你是否要為勝選向習近平道謝？」

但很多人沒想到的是，「thank」這個字本身 #不見得只有謝謝的意思，還有「responsible/表示誰有責任，歸因於誰」的意思。

像一個常見的片語「 thanks to ⋯」，其實可以是中立的含義，「由於某人/某事」的意思。

所以如果後面接的是好事，我們就翻成「多虧」「多謝有誰」（可能因為thank you的關係，這也是我們比較熟悉的用法），比方說：

例1：Thanks to you, we did It! (托你的福，我們成功了）

但是！BUT! thanks to 不見得只能接好事，這時候thank 當然也就不是（我們想當然爾的）「向誰表示感激」之意，比方Cambridge字典的例句：

例2：The baby is awake thanks to you and your shouting. (嬰兒現在醒了，都是你啦，大吼大叫）

退一萬步說，thanks to 本身其實是中立的字眼，表示「由於、歸因於」。既不是感謝誰（如例一）、也不是責怪誰（如例二），之所以會有價值判斷，是我們翻譯有時為了潤飾加上去的。看看下面三個句子（特別是b&c):

a. Thanks to Xi Jinping's visit, Russian-China relations had reached a new height.
「由於習近平到訪，中俄關係到達新境界」

b. Thanks to your help, we did it!
(潤飾前：由於你的協助，我們辦到了。/ 潤飾後：多虧你幫忙，我們成功了！）

c. Thanks to your help, we failed.
（潤飾前：由於你的幫忙，我們失敗了。 / 潤飾後： 都是你插手，我們搞砸了。）

#網友補充：字典裡就找的到「have somebody to thank」的項目，可以接好事也可以接壞事。例：

I have Frank to thank for getting my first job.
(多虧了Frank讓我找到第一份工作。）

He has only himself to thank for the problem.
(有這個問題只能怪他自己。）

所以回到BBC記者的提問，我個人認為是非常高明的：我不否認他應該是故意用thank這個字，讓大家聯想到 #謝謝 ，通常我們只會謝謝對我們好的人，但習明明又是在國際社會上很多人認為跟台灣對立的人，這樣的反差製造了幽默，也是現場（包含總統本人）笑出來的原因。

但巧妙之處就在於，他也可以堅持說thank 這個字本身，是不帶有任何價值判斷的 「負責」，「因為有⋯的關係」。所以口譯如果想要中性處理的話，我可能會說（先聲明，這是事後諸葛，我當下不見得有更好的表現）

#您認為您的勝選是不是跟習近平有關？
（輕描淡寫求安全下莊）

#您的勝選是不是一部分因為習近平的緣故？
（嘴癢想照翻但是小孬孬怕死如我只好自己加上「一部分」三個字）

#您認為這次勝選是不是可以歸功於習近平？💣
（這樣說就有類似原文的效果，但不排除講者可能會否認他有此意，「超譯」的責任就要口譯員擔。）

長期的選戰昨晚告一段落，對勝利者來說應該是歡樂開心的，一般我們也會認為「勝利組」要對「被開玩笑」這件事有更多的雅量，所以BBC記者這樣問，我覺得雖然引起一些爭議，但實在比四平八穩，嚴肅正經的問法有意思的多，在一個開心，甚至有慶功意味的場合，應該沒有那麼嚴重。#真的要care的應該是Xi本人（無誤）

對我們學習者來說，我覺得有幾個啟發：

1. 越簡單的字有時候越難。

2. 多嘗試用英英字典，可以不被翻譯影響，了解一個字最原始的含義。

3. thank後面真的可以接壞事。所以在韓國瑜（原本要舉行但是臨時取消）的國際記者會上，如果記者願意的話，也可以照樣造句問韓市長：

「 Do you think you have President Xi JinPing to thank for your defeat?」

#這時候還會有人說thank是謝謝嗎？

毋忘五大訴求　公民抗命有理
—10‧20九龍遊行陳情書
（案件編號：DCCC 535/2020）

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胡法官雅文閣下：

　　2012年，我第一次站在法庭上承認違反「公安惡法」，述說對普選的盼望，批評公安惡法不義，並因公民抗命的緣故，甘心樂意接受刑罰。當年我說，如果小圈子選舉沒有被廢除，惡法沒有消失，我依然會一如故我，公民抗命，並且我相信將會有更多學生和市民加入這個行列。想不到時至今日，普選仍然遙遙無期，我亦再次被帶到法庭接受審判，但只是短短７年，已經有數十萬計的群眾公民抗命，反對暴政。今日，我承認違反「未經批准的政府」所訂立「未經批准的惡法」之下的「未經批准集結」罪，我不打算尋求法庭的憐憫，但請容許我佔用法庭些微時間陳情，讓法庭在判刑前有全面考慮。

暴力之濫觴

　　在整個反修例運動如火如荼之際，我正承擔另一宗公民抗命案件的刑責。雖然身在獄中，但仍然心繫手足。我在獄中電視機前見證6月9日、6月16日及8月18日三次百萬港人大遊行，幾多熱愛和平的港人冒天雨冒彈雨走上街頭，抗議不義惡法，今日關於10月20日的案件，亦是如此。可能有人會問，政府已在6月暫緩修例，更在9月正式撤回修例，我等仍然繼續示威，豈非無理取鬧？我相信法官閣下肯定聽過「遲來的正義並非正義」（Justice delayed is justice denied）這句格言。當過百萬群眾走上街頭，和平表達不滿的時候，林鄭政府沒有理睬，反而獨行獨斷，粗暴踐踏港人的意願，結果製造出後來連綿不絕的爭拗，甚至你死我活的對抗。經歷眾多衝突痛苦之後，所謂暫緩撤回，已經微不足道，我們只是更加清楚：沒有民主，就連基本人權都不會擁有！

　　在本案之中，雖然我們都沒有鼓動或作出暴力行為，但根據早前8‧18及10‧1兩宗案件，相信在控方及法庭眼中，案發當日的暴力事件仍然可以算在我們頭上，如此，我有必要問：如果香港有一個公平正義的普及選舉，人民可以在立法會直接否決他們不認可的法律，試問2019年的暴力衝突可以從何而來呢？如果我們眼見的暴力是如此十惡不赦，那麼我們又如何看待百萬人遊行後仍然堅持推行惡法的制度暴力呢？如果我們不能接受人民暴力反抗，那麼我們是否更加不能對更巨大更壓逼的制度暴力沈默不言？真正且經常發生的暴力，是漠視人民訴求的暴力，是踐踏人民意見的暴力，是剝奪人民表達權利的暴力。真正憎恨暴力，痛恨暴力的人，不可能一方面指摘暴力反抗，又容忍制度暴力。如果我需要承擔和平遊行引發出來的暴力事件的刑責，那麼誰應該承擔施政失敗所引發出來的社會騷亂的罪責呢？

社會之病根

　　對於法庭而言，可能2019年所發生的事情只是一場社會騷亂，務必追究違法者個人責任。然而，治亂治其本源，醫病醫其病根，我雖然公民抗命，刻意違法，控方把我帶上法庭，但我卻不應被理解為一個「犯罪個體」。2019年所發生的事情，並不是我一個人或我們這幾位被告可以促成，社會問題的癥結不是「犯罪份子」本身，而是「犯罪原因」。我明白「治亂世用重典」的道理，但如果「殺雞儆猴」是解決方法，就不會在2016年發生旺角騷亂及2017年上訴庭對示威者施以重刑後，2019年仍然會爆發出更大規模的暴力反抗。

如果不希望社會動亂，就必須正本清源，逐步落實「五大訴求」，從根本上改革，挽回民心。2019年反修例運動，其實只是2014年雨傘運動的延續而已，縱使法庭可能認為兩個運動皆是「一股歪風」所引起，但我必須澄清，兩個運動的核心就是追求民主普選，人民當家作主。在2019年11月24日區議會選舉這個最類近全民普選的選舉中，接近300萬人投票，民主派大勝，奪得17個區議會主導權，這就是整個反修例運動的民意，民意就是反對政府決策，反對制度暴力，反對推行惡法，不容爭辯，不辯自明。我們作為礦場裡的金絲雀，多次提醒政府撤回修法，並從根本上改革制度，而在10月20日的九龍遊行當然是反映民意的平台契機。如今，法庭對我們施加重刑，其實只不過是懲罰民意，將金絲雀困在鳥籠之內，甚至扼殺於鼓掌之中，窒礙表達自由。

堅持之重要

　　大運動過後的大鎮壓，使我們失去《蘋果日報》，失去教協，失去民陣，不少民主派領袖以及曾為運動付出的手足戰友都囚於獄中，不少曾經熱情投入運動的朋友亦因《國安法》的威脅轉為低調，新聞自由示威自由日漸萎縮，公民社會受到沈重打擊，我亦失去不少摯友，有感傷孤獨的時候，但我仍然相信，2019年香港人的信念，以及所展現人類的光輝持久未變。我不會忘記百萬人民冒雨捱熱抗拒暴政，抵制惡法，展現我們眾志成城；我不會忘記人潮紅海，讓道救護車，展現我們文明精神；我不會忘記年青志士直接行動反對苛政，捨身成仁，展現我們膽色勇氣；我不會忘記銀髮一族走上街頭保護年青人，展現我們彼此關懷；我不會忘記「五大訴求」，不會忘記2019年區議會選舉，展現我們有理有節。

　　法官閣下，我對於當日的所作所為，不感羞恥，毫無悔意。我能夠在出獄後與群眾同行一路，與戰友同繫一獄，實是莫大榮幸。若法治失去民主基石，將使法庭無奈地接受專制政權所訂立解釋的法律限制，隨時變成政治工具掃除異見，因此爭取民主普選，建設真正法治，追求公平正義，仍然是我的理想。在這條路上，如有必要，我仍然會公民抗命，正如終審法院海外非常任法官賀輔明（Lord Hoffmann）所言，發自良知的公民抗命有悠久及光榮的傳統，歷史將證明我們是正確的。我期望，曾與我一起遊行抗命的手足戰友要堅持信念，在艱難歲月裡毋忘初衷，活在愛和真實之中。

　　最後，如9年前一樣，我想借用美國民權領袖馬丁路德金牧師的一番話對我們的反對者說：「我們將以自己忍受苦難的能力，來較量你們製造苦難的能力。我們將用我們靈魂的力量，來抵禦你們物質的暴力。對我們做你們想做的事吧，我們仍然愛你們。我們不能憑良心服從你們不公正的法律，因為拒惡與為善一樣是道德責任。將我們送入監獄吧，我們仍然愛你們。」（We shall match your capacity to inflict suffering by our capacity to endure suffering. We shall meet your physical force with soul force. Do to us what you will, and we shall continue to love you. We cannot in all good conscience obey your unjust laws because noncooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with good. Throw us in jail and we shall still love you.）

　　願慈愛的主耶穌賜我們平安，與我和我一家同在，與法官閣下同在，與香港人同在。沒有暴徒，只有暴政；五大訴求，缺一不可！願榮耀歸上帝，榮光歸人民！

第五被告
黃浩銘
二零二一年八月十九日

Lest we forget the five demands: civil disobedience is morally justified
- Statement on 10‧20 Kowloon Rally
(Case No.: DCCC 535/2020)

Your Honour Judge Woodcock

In 2012, I stood before the court and admitted to violating the "Public Security Evil Law". I expressed my hope for universal suffrage, criticized the evil law as unjust, and willingly accepted the penalty for civil disobedience. Back then, I said that if the small-circle election had not been abolished and the draconian law had not disappeared, I would still be as determined as I was, and I believe that more students and citizens would join this movement. Today, universal suffrage is still a long way off, and I have been brought before the court again for trial. But in just seven years, hundreds of thousands of people have already risen up in civil disobedience against tyranny. Today, I plead guilty to "unauthorised assembly" under an unapproved evil law enacted by an unauthorised government. I do not intend to seek the court's mercy, but please allow me to take up a little time in court to present my case so that the court can consider all aspects before sentencing me.

The roots of violence

At the time when the whole anti-extradition law movement was in full-swing, I was taking responsibility for another civil disobedience case. Although I was in prison, my heart was still with the people. I witnessed the three million-person rallies on 9 June, 16 June and 18 August on television in prison, when many peace-loving people took to the streets despite the rain and bullets, to protest against unjust laws. Some people may ask, "The Government has already suspended the legislative amendments in June and formally withdrew the bill in September, but we are still demonstrating, are we not being unreasonable?" I am sure your Honour has heard of the adage "Justice delayed is justice denied". When more than a million people took to the streets to express their discontent peacefully, the Lam administration ignored them and instead acted arbitrarily, brutally trampling on the wishes of the people of Hong Kong, resulting in endless arguments and even confrontations. After so many conflicts and painful experiences, the so-called moratorium is no longer meaningful. We only know better: without democracy, we cannot even have basic human rights!

In this case, although we did not instigate or commit acts of violence, I believe that in the eyes of the prosecution and the court, the violence on the day of the incident can still be counted against us, based on the August 18 and October 1 case. And now I must ask - If Hong Kong had a fair and just universal election, and the public could directly veto laws they did not approve of at the Legislative Council, then how could the violent clashes of 2019 have come about? If the violence we see is so heinous, how do we feel about the institutional violence that insists on the imposition of draconian laws even after millions of people have taken to the streets? If we cannot accept violent rebellion, how can we remain silent in the face of even greater and more oppressive institutional violence? The true and frequent violence is the kind of violence that ignores people's demands, that tramples on their opinions, that deprives them of their right to express themselves. People who truly hate violence and abhor it cannot accuse violent resistance on the one hand and tolerate institutional violence on the other. If I have to bear the criminal responsibility for the violence caused by the peaceful demonstration, then who should bear the criminal responsibility for the social unrest caused by failed administration?

The roots of society's problems

From a court's point of view, it may be that what happened in 2019 was just a series of social unrest, and that those who broke the law must be held personally accountable. What happened in 2019 was not something that I alone or the defendants could have made possible, and the crux of the social problem was not the 'criminals' but the 'causes of crime'. I understand the concept of " applying severe punishment to a troubled world", but if "decimation" was really the solution, there would not have been more violent rebellions in 2019 after the Mongkok "riot" in 2016 and the heavy sentences handed down to protesters by the Court of Appeal in 2017.

If we do not want social unrest, we must get to the root of the problem and implement the "five demands" step by step, so as to achieve fundamental reforms and win back the hearts of the people. 2019's anti-revision movement is indeed a continuation of 2014's Umbrella Movement, and even though the court may think that both movements are caused by a "perverse wind", I must clarify that the core of both movements is the pursuit of democracy and universal suffrage, and the people being the masters of their own house. In the District Council election on 24 November 2019, which is the closest thing to universal suffrage, nearly 3 million people voted, and the democratic camp won a huge victory, winning majority in 17 District Councils. As canaries in the monetary coal mine, we have repeatedly reminded the government to withdraw the extradition bill and fundamentally reform the system, and the march in Kowloon on 20 October was certainly an opportunity to reflect public opinion. Now, by imposing heavy penalties on us, the court is only punishing public opinion, trapping the canaries in a birdcage, or even stifling them in the palm of their hands, suffocating the freedom of expression.

The importance of persistence

As a result of the crackdown after the mass movement, we lost Apple Daily, the Hong Kong Professional Teachers' Union, and the Civil Human Rights Front. Many of our democratic leaders and comrades who had contributed to the movement were imprisoned, and many of our friends who had been passionately involved in the movement had been forced to lay low under the threat of the National Security Law. I still believe that the faith of Hong Kong people and the glory of humanity seen in 2019 will remain unchanged. I will never forget the millions of people who braved the rain and the heat to resist tyranny and evil laws, demonstrating our unity of purpose; I will never forget the crowds of people who gave way to ambulances, demonstrating our civility; I will never forget the young people who sacrificed their lives, demonstrating our courage and bravery; I will never forget the silver-haired who took to the streets to protect the youth, demonstrating our care for each other; I will never forget the "five demands" and the 2019 District Council election, demonstrating our rationality and decency.

Your Honour, I have nothing to be ashamed of and no remorse for what I did on that day. It is my great honour to be in prison with my comrades and to be able to walk with the public after my release. If the rule of law were to lose its democratic foundation, the courts would have no choice but to accept the legal restrictions set by the autocratic regime and become a political tool to eliminate dissent at any time. As Lord Hoffmann, a non-permanent overseas judge of the Court of Final Appeal, said, civil disobedience from the conscience has a long and honourable tradition, and history will prove us right. I hope that my comrades in arms who walked with me in protests will keep their faith and live in love and truth in the midst of this difficult time.

Finally, as I did nine years ago, I would like to say something to those who oppose us, borrowing the words of American civil rights leader Reverend Martin Luther King: "We shall match your capacity to inflict suffering by our capacity to endure suffering. We shall meet your physical force with soul force. Do to us what you will, and we shall continue to love you. We cannot in all good conscience obey your unjust laws because noncooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with good. Throw us in jail and we shall still love you."

Peace be with me and my family, with Your Honour, and with the people of Hong Kong. There are no thugs, only tyranny; five demands, not one less! To god be the glory and to people be the glory!

The Fifth Defendant
Wong Ho Ming
19 August 2021

我這個外國人沒想過住台灣我也可以做一件事。。。 學英文！
雖然教英文超過十年，講英文更久，來到台灣我才學到這五個英文單字
有的是因為不是美國的用詞有的是因為用這些詞的頻率很低，有的可能只有台灣在用。
來看看你平常講英文會不會用到這些讓外國人對你”哈???“ 的英文單字！

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