我是Steven將軍,今天冒著可能被PAGANI原廠列為車主黑名單的風險,來告訴大家一個全球第一篇Huayra的抱怨文~
一個全球車評都不會或不敢寫的抱怨文~
但因為我不是谷阿莫,所以只能用寫的(中英文都有).
曾經是我要以登陸月球的心態入主的夢想,卻讓我覺得真正登陸月球後,才發現到原來在月球漫步是那麼的不便!!
PAGANI風神看似藝術,也的確是藝術.
但也因為就是藝術,這台車有著獨立小廠才有的問題:資源不足.
這資源不足看似簡單,但所延伸的問題卻真的很多且嚴重~
所以,就讓我一一道來吧~
首先,這台車有許多設計上的不合理之處.
內裝
1.車門遙控器採用10多年前的老式版本,既不靈敏,又容易當機.
舉例來說,你必須固定一公尺的距離,在車門旁的固定位置,按下之後等個3秒鐘以上才有反應.
其次,久沒使用,設定的對接訊號會跑掉就必須重新設定.
2.安全帶的設計位置過於後方偏低,不見得適合大部分的東方人,因為它會勒住你的脖子.
動力
1.風神的電池式採乾電池式,很容易沒電.
好笑的是,你不鎖門不使用防盜系統,放個5天它也會自動沒電,所以必須隨時充電.
但問題是,我們這個風神的設計天兵並沒有將充電插座設計在車外(如山豬),而是車內.
這不打緊,原廠給你的充電器又不是智慧型的自充式,而是充電一次必須再手動重新再按一次的笨設計.
2.變速箱的設計是一大敗筆,因為它完全沒有考慮這是要掛牌在路上的車子,不是只有適合在賽道上.
變速箱因為是使用老式的SMG單組自手牌,雖說是為了減輕那變速箱的重量,但其產生更嚴重的是:頓挫非常+非常嚴重.
嚴重到即使是減速或慢速起步時,整台車會因離合器過笨而前後跳躍頓挫.
3.會爆衝,尤其是倒檔時,會因為稍補油門而整台突然補油過多造成退衝.
4.這是整台車最嚴重之處,會熄火~
(全台灣的風神都會熄火,我的風神狀況已經算是最OK的了)
大部分是發生在慢速起步或減速退檔時,這個問題,個人猜測應該是變速箱的離合器接觸不良.
老式SMG單組離合器在油門補油不夠多時,整台車就是容易熄火.
這很困擾,因為補多了衝出去,補少了,車動不了又熄火.
要知道,現在是2015年,不是2005年.
都甚麼年代還在用這種老式SMG離合器,莫名其妙~
售後服務
PAGANI的售後服務相當差也相當糟糕.
1.原廠叫不動,感覺像射後不理!!
舉例來說:光是遙控器的重新設定,就前後花了半年;除了原廠不正面直接處理之外,亞洲地區由香港團隊也不知要和誰聯繫!!
然而,台灣的新代理也沒有專屬保養廠,維修還得去別人的保養廠,很好笑吧~
2.亞洲地區由香港團隊服務,但所有的團隊只有5人,卻要服務全亞洲.
3.所以既使安排了也是要等到天荒地老.
4.既使發現問題,負責全亞洲的香港團隊也只能插完電腦截取資訊之後回報義大利,之後呢??就此沒消沒息.
例如剛才說的充電器,說要給個新型的車外充電式,結果快1個月了,連個影子也沒有~
開這台風神,說真的,越開越是辛苦,反觀P1,動力+變速箱既人性又科技.這就是風神,大家心目中的車界女神~
你若問我這車好嗎??
應該說擺在家裡比較好~
名符其實的:趴家裡~
PS:以我個人的經驗,原廠在設計和整合系統上有嚴重疏忽.
首先,風神根本不應該使用SMG自手排.
減輕重量只是藉口,試問, P1背了個大電池,變速箱更是雙組自手排離合器,但重量有重很多嗎??沒有!!也是1300多Kg.
其次,SMG自手排變速箱的軟體和引擎ECU軟體的搭配上也應該有問題!!
總之,PAGANI在軟體整合上很有問題~
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Once the dream like landed on the moon tobuy Pagani Huayra, but when I landed on the moon to realize walking on the moonwas such tough than I thought.
Pagani Huayra is an artwork and it isreally an art. Just because this is an artwork and it companion withindependent workshop general problem: lack of supporting resource. It seems asimple problem but it has been spreading to lots of serious defects… Let medescribe those and the first one comes from designing (unreasonable design).
Interior
1.Door remote controller usingold-school method; less sensitivity and high frequency crash. For example: The driverneeds to reach less than 1 meter, aim to specific point/area and await at least 3seconds the door remote controller worktable. Meanwhile when the remotecontroller connecting with long interval all the signal need to reboot again.
2.Seat belt
The position ofseat belt is partial rear and down-low than driver could easy reaching. Thisdesign would cause high potential reined in the neck when the owners/driversare eastern people.
Power
1.Battery: Huayra is using dry cell method. You could see such this kind ofcar is not a daily using car. When Huayra is parking in the parking lot morethan five days it will fully out of reserving electronic power. So; the ownerneeds to re-charging in every moment. But the question is why you didn’t designan external plug-in (like Bugatti Veyron) but internal rechargeable. The ownerand also doesn’t understand why you offer self-filling charger but not intelligence.When the battery has been full your charger will disconnect but the batterystill consumption the electricity by itself and your charger will not automaticrecharging again. It means, this charger only recharge by once till someone putthe charging bottom again; this is quite stupid charger and not intelligence.
2.Transmission: I think the worstdesign in Huayra is transmission. As my understanding this design just orientedfrom track design but no general traffic situation included. Because thistransmission is using SMG and also consider reducing weight, but it generatedtoo much uncoordinated cadences. This abnormal experience occurred indecelerating and slow start. When it happened whole transmission leading wholecar serious jumping cadence.
3.Violent conflict: Especially inreverse gear; when I add-on a little bit of acceleration in reverse gear thecar will violent conflict.
4.Flameout: This is a serioussafety issue on Huayra. I have been acknowledged all Huayra in Taiwan got thisproblem (my Huayra is a minimum of occurrence one). Most of this situationhappened in decelerating shift down or slow start. I believe this problemoccurred in disconnect in transmission. When the accelerating not enough beforethe shift down it occurred the flameout in vintage SMG design. It bothers thedriver; accelerating too much the car pushes out but shortage leading flameout.Pls be realistic, this is 2015 not in 2005 this kind of vintage SMG design doesnot meet the requirement of this times.
After Service
1.Invalid service ability from ItalyHDQ. For example; Just door remote controller reboot it caused over more than 6months. HDQ disable and also Asian region Hong Kongagent keep silence, no one acknowledges who takes in charge of this simplyreboot.
2.Hong Kong service team just 5 team members included and these people take incharge whole Asia Pagani’s service responsibility. Five people whole Asia?
3.Even I appointed the afterservice; it comes over waiting and waiting and further waiting…
4.OK~ until the service membershow up I saw the service process just link up and downloading the defect codesform computer and told me: we need to feedback to Italy HDQ and await the responseand….. continuously waiting. Someonetold me will provide me a new external intelligence charger; then; I waitingone month and no response.
5.You/Pagani have had a new distributor/agentin Taiwanbut there is no specific service location and the owner needs to go to othersservice plant to make the after service and this is quite strange.
I’m the owner of Pagani Huayra; if I needto make the statement of driving experience is increasingly hard. Pagani Huayrashould be goddess of the car industry, but contrast to McLaren P1 shortagebalance of humanity and technology.
If you ask me how good of Pagani Huayra? Iwould answer you it would be better parking in the parking lot for staticartwork. It is totally artwork.
For my personal suggestion andrecommendation of Huayra; system integration got serious negligence. First ofall Huayra should not be using SMG system. Cutting weight just an excuse.However, McLaren carry on a huge battery module and also automated manualtransmission system but the total weight not comes to heavier. Secondly; thesoftware of SMG and ECU communication got serious defect and it leading wholesystem unbalance. The software integration should be a major problem.
ps變速箱 保養 在 [心得] Focus TDCi MK2.5 powershift 變速箱維修- 看板car 的八卦
我的 Focsu 是 Mk2.5 末代，2012 年的 TDCi，採用濕式 Power Shift 變速箱
柴油車開起來很過癮，Focus 的底盤對喜歡開車的人來說也是很令人激賞的好
無奈 PS 變速箱會有問題，總是讓人擔心不已，讓車主有如芒刺在背
於是從一開始規定的 6 萬換變速箱油，到後來的 4 萬換油，希望能讓變速箱壽命延長
無奈過了 16 萬公里之後，變速箱還是開始怪怪的...
一開始是平時開車的時候覺得換檔時機有點怪怪的，但總覺得應該是電腦學習問題
到後來有時候冷車後直接進 R 檔，車子居然不動
上網看了其他人的維修心得，發現在 16 萬前後的時候這種狀況容易發生
也是變速箱開始要掛掉的前兆，這時候就開始各種擔心
到底是換車好，還是要維修變速箱，維修變速箱可不是一筆小錢
每次回原廠保養的時候，聽到的價格從 12 萬、17 萬到現在的 19 萬一路飆升...
「原廠不會維修，只會更換整組零件」
我永遠記得這句話，於是我這次決定找外面的保養廠
經過網路搜尋之後，找到了一家保養廠，網路上給的評價還不錯
實際跟店家通過電話說明狀況，店家也報了價，說 6 萬以內能搞定
接下來就把車開過去給店家看，實際看了情況，店家也確定是之前電話報的價格就可以
於是我就決定送進廠維修了(預估四天完工，星期一送廠，星期四取車)
店家維修的時候都有拍照，我就一一貼上來
就如之前網路上的經驗分享，因為長時間使用，零件磨損造成鐵屑
這些鐵屑因為變速箱裡面還有那種會吸附的磁鐵，所以鐵屑都吸附在上面
因為我算是比較早期就送修了，所以鐵屑都沒磨損到我的齒輪部分
變速箱裡面的彈簧
彈簧斷裂，這也是產生鐵屑的最大元凶
因為彈簧夾帶鐵屑後繼續運作，造成磨損(在我之前有另一台 Focus 的這裡磨穿了)
彈簧與彈簧之間的零件---滑塊(黃色的那些)，也斷裂了不少
變速箱拆開來之後的樣子
星期三的時候我有去保養廠看了一下，他們拆到一半，星期四中午就跟我說做好了
我去取車的時候，車廠說他們前一天晚上做到12點，早上試車確認沒問題之後就通知我了
然後跟我說變速箱修好之後，有一年三萬公里的保固，但 2 萬公里的時候要來他們
這裡換變速箱油，不然保固就會失效
維修之後變速箱超乾淨
修好至今約莫一個禮拜，大概說一下心得：
切換檔位之後的反應變得很立即(D檔換R檔的時候)
檔位銜接的反應速度變快了
加速很順，油門反應很有力，不會重拖
而根據保養廠的師傅跟我說，我之前可以開 16 萬公里，那維修後
應該也可以開到 10 幾萬公里左右是沒問題的
個人想想，這樣應該算是蠻夠用的了...
原本預計要花 12 萬以上的維修金額，現在只花了 6 萬搞定
找外廠維修果然節省很多...
之後如果車子還有狀況，我會再編輯本文來補上
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