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eVonne許慧欣二手電影DVD愛心義賣, 幫助艾碧兒.
歌手(以及AT長期支持者)eVonne許慧欣捐贈私人DVD收藏給台灣動物協會! 每片DVD40元起,共有192張熱門影片!eVonne也很熱心的提供她的親筆簽名照給購買200元以上的朋友們!
DVD義賣收入全部幫助鐵絲截肢狗狗“艾碧兒”的醫療費。(想要了解艾碧兒的完整故事,請點入這裡:http://www.animalstaiwan.org/rescue.html)
完整DVD片名清單,請往下看! (謹限於線上義賣)
運送方式: 您可以選擇郵寄(郵費另外付)或您可以到台灣動物協會救援中心去自取。 每星期謹出貨一次, 所以您的訂單可能需7至10天的時間送達.
付款方式: 您可以選擇以下三種方式付款: 銀行或ATM轉帳, 郵政劃撥, 或線上信用卡刷卡.
退換貨: 我們恕不接受退換DVD.
如何購買DVD: 請寫信至 shopping@animalstaiwan.org, 提供您想購買的DVD清單,您的姓名,聯絡電話,郵寄地址,您選擇的付款方式,以及您希望的運送方式。我們將會回覆並提供付款資訊以及確認總金額(以及郵費,如果您選擇郵寄為運送方式)。
謝謝!
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Second Hand DVD Charity Sale. Fundraiser for Abigail.
Singer (and long-time supporter) eVonne Hsu has donated her personal DVD collection to Animals Taiwan! Each DVD is priced at NT$40 and up with a total of 192 different DVDs! eVonne has also kindly offered her autographed photos to those who purchase NT$200 or more!
ALL money raised from this DVD sale will be going towards Abigail’s medical bills. (To read Abigail’s full story, click here: http://www.animalstaiwan.org/rescue_en.html)
PLEASE SCROLL DOWN for the complete list of DVDs on sale. (Online Sale Only).
Delivery: The DVDs can be mailed to you (with additional postage fees) OR you can pick up your order at the Animals Taiwan rescue center. Orders will be mailed once per week only, so please allow 7 to 10 days for your DVDs to arrive.
Payment: You may choose one of the following three payment methods: Bank/ATM transfer, Post office funds transfer OR Online credit card system (Taiwan-issued cards only).
Returns/Exchange: We will not be accepting returns or exchanges.
How to order your DVDs: To order, please email shopping@animalstaiwan.org with your list of DVD titles, your full name, contact number, mailing address, your chosen method of payment and your chosen delivery method. We will provide you with payment details and confirm total cost (and postage fee if you choose mailing as method of delivery).
Thank you!
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*All DVDs NT$40, unless specified otherwise
*全部DVD 40元, 除非另外標明
English DVDs/英文片:
30 Days of Night (惡夜30)
7 Dwarves (7矮人)
Around The World In 80 Days (環球世界80天)
Art School Confidential (校園祕密檔案)
Assault On Precinct 13 (殲滅13區)
Bed of Roses (玫瑰花床)
Bedtime Stories (天方夜談)
Before the Devil Knows You're Dead
Big Stan (猛男姦獄)
Blonde and Blonder (波霸與波神)
Bordertown (亡命殺鎮)
Bug (恐怖幻象)
Capote (柯波帝: 冷血告白)
Cashmere Mafia (Season 1, 7 episodes), *NT$80
Cellular (玩命手機)
Changeling (陌生的孩子)
Chasing Papi (劈腿4人行)
Christmas with the Kranks (蹺家大作戰)
City of Ember (微光城市)
Daddy Day Camp (奶爸集中營)
Dark Water (鬼水)
Date Movie (正宗約會電影)
Dodgeball (鐵男躲避球)
Dunks! Volume one (NBA 灌籃高手)
Edison (驚爆頭條內幕)
Eragon
Evan Almighty (王牌天神續集)
Everyone's Hero (洋基英雄)
Fat Albert (擺大肚王搖)
Firewall (防火牆)
Freedomland (自由過度)
Friends with Money (我的好野女友)
Full frontal (正面全裸)
Good Boy! (我愛一嘴毛)
Good Night, And Good Luck (晚安, 祝你好運)
Gun Shy (愛情搶手)
Hannibal Rising (人魔崛起)
Happy Endings (完美結局)
Happy Texas (一籠傻島)
Hardwood Classics Series Double Header (NBA經典復刻版 超級灌籃)
High Crimes (案藏玄機)
Insanitarium (恐怖食人院)
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia - Seasons 1 & 2 (踢球叫練), *NT$150
Kicking & Screaming
Knowing (末日預言)
Lady in the Water
Las Vegas - Season 4 (慾望之都 - 第四季), NT$300
Las Vegas - Season 5 (慾望之都 - 第五季), NT$300
Little Children
Mindstorm (超能戰將)
Monster (女魔頭)
Munich (慕尼黑)
My Mom's New Boyfriend (我媽的新男友)
National Treasure 2 (國家寶藏: 古籍祕辛)
No Vacancy (針孔旅社)
Ocean's Thirteen (瞞天過海: 13王牌)
Passengers (靈異航班)
Paul Blart: Mall Cop (百貨戰警)
Paula Abdul Cardio Dance, *NT$20
Poseidon (海神號)
Pride and Glory (非法警戒)
Resident Evil: Apocalypse (惡靈古堡II:啓示錄)
Respectable
Rogue Assassin (玩命對戰)
Rules of Engagement (火線衝突)
Running with scissors
Saw II
Saw III
Scary Movie 4 (驚聲尖笑4)
Scoop (遇上塔羅牌情人)
Semi-Pro (灌藍大帝)
Shark Attack (噬人鯊)
Shoot 'Em Up (史密斯先生)
Skinned Alive (人皮活剝)
Sleep Cell - 3 Disc Set, *NT$150
Sleep Walking (失控旅程)
Snakes on a Plane (飛機上有蛇)
Spy Game (間諜遊戲)
Stealth (機戰未來)
The 4400 - 3rd season, *NT$300
The 6th day (魔鬼複製人)
The Bounty Hunter (賞金獵手)
The Closer - first season, *NT300
The Contract (死亡契約)
The Exorcism of Emily Rose (驅魔)
The Eye (異度見鬼)
The Flock (屍蹤現場)
The Hillside Strangler (L.A. 殺人狂)
The Ice Harvest (老大凍未條)
The Indian in the Cupboard (魔櫃小奇兵)
The International (黑暗金控)
The Kingdom (反恐戰場)
The Last Sign (惡靈夢魘)
The Living and the Dead (分裂幻象)
The Omen
The Orphanage (靈異孤兒院)
The Producers (金牌製作人)
The Spirit (閃靈俠)
The Taking of Pelham 123 (亡命快劫)
The Third Wheel
The Wendell Baker Story (愛情奧客)
TMNT (忍者龜:炫風再起)
Transamerica (窈窕老爸)
Tropic Thunder (開麥拉驚魂)
Twilight (吸血新世紀)
Underworld: Rise of the Lycans (決戰異世界前傳: 鬼哭狼毫)
United 93
Untraceable (Live殺人網站)
Vantage Point (刺殺據點)
Waking Ned Devine (樂透天)
Wanted (刺客聯盟)
We Own The Night (萬惡夜總會)
What a girl wants
What Just Happened
Chinese DVDs/中國片:
宅變 (The Heirloom)
嫁個有錢人 ( Marry a Rich Man)
夢幻廚房 (Magic Kitchen)
長江7號 (CJ7)
Other Foreign Language DVDs / 其他外語片:
Spanish(西班牙): Di quie Si (真情一路發)
Japanese(日語) – Infection (感染)
Korean(韓文) - My boyfriend is type-B (我的B型男友)
Korean(韓文) - Love, So Divine (緣份的天梯)
Korean(韓文) – Happy Nake Christmas (愛在繽紛季節)
Fuerzabruta World Opening Buenos Aires 2005 (Documentary)
同時也有31部Youtube影片,追蹤數超過15萬的網紅pennyccw,也在其Youtube影片中提到,Shaq attacked, Kobe bounced back and the Los Angeles Lakers got on track. The Lakers responded like defending champions and evened the NBA Finals ...
nba per all time 在 eVonne 許慧欣 Facebook 八卦
大家幫忙轉貼一下,買我的二手DVDs,可以做善事,可以幫助可憐又可愛的Abigail!♥謝謝!
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eVonne許慧欣二手電影DVD愛心義賣, 幫助艾碧兒.
歌手(以及AT長期支持者)eVonne許慧欣捐贈私人DVD收藏給台灣動物協會! 每片DVD40元起,共有192張熱門影片!eVonne也很熱心的提供她的親筆簽名照給購買200元以上的朋友們!
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eVonne許慧欣二手電影DVD愛心義賣, 幫助艾碧兒.
歌手(以及AT長期支持者)eVonne許慧欣捐贈私人DVD收藏給台灣動物協會! 每片DVD40元起,共有192張熱門影片!eVonne也很熱心的提供她的親筆簽名照給購買200元以上的朋友們!
DVD義賣收入全部幫助鐵絲截肢狗狗“艾碧兒”的醫療費。(想要了解艾碧兒的完整故事,請點入這裡:http://www.animalstaiwan.org/rescue.html)
完整DVD片名清單,請往下看! (謹限於線上義賣)
運送方式: 您可以選擇郵寄(郵費另外付)或您可以到台灣動物協會救援中心去自取。 每星期謹出貨一次, 所以您的訂單可能需7至10天的時間送達.
付款方式: 您可以選擇以下三種方式付款: 銀行或ATM轉帳, 郵政劃撥, 或線上信用卡刷卡.
退換貨: 我們恕不接受退換DVD.
如何購買DVD: 請寫信至 shopping@animalstaiwan.org, 提供您想購買的DVD清單,您的姓名,聯絡電話,郵寄地址,您選擇的付款方式,以及您希望的運送方式。我們將會回覆並提供付款資訊以及確認總金額(以及郵費,如果您選擇郵寄為運送方式)。
謝謝!
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Second Hand DVD Charity Sale. Fundraiser for Abigail.
Singer (and long-time supporter) eVonne Hsu has donated her personal DVD collection to Animals Taiwan! Each DVD is priced at NT$40 and up with a total of 192 different DVDs! eVonne has also kindly offered her autographed photos to those who purchase NT$200 or more!
ALL money raised from this DVD sale will be going towards Abigail’s medical bills. (To read Abigail’s full story, click here: http://www.animalstaiwan.org/rescue_en.html)
PLEASE SCROLL DOWN for the complete list of DVDs on sale. (Online Sale Only).
Delivery: The DVDs can be mailed to you (with additional postage fees) OR you can pick up your order at the Animals Taiwan rescue center. Orders will be mailed once per week only, so please allow 7 to 10 days for your DVDs to arrive.
Payment: You may choose one of the following three payment methods: Bank/ATM transfer, Post office funds transfer OR Online credit card system (Taiwan-issued cards only).
Returns/Exchange: We will not be accepting returns or exchanges.
How to order your DVDs: To order, please email shopping@animalstaiwan.org with your list of DVD titles, your full name, contact number, mailing address, your chosen method of payment and your chosen delivery method. We will provide you with payment details and confirm total cost (and postage fee if you choose mailing as method of delivery).
Thank you!
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*All DVDs NT$40, unless specified otherwise
*全部DVD 40元, 除非另外標明
English DVDs/英文片:
30 Days of Night (惡夜30)
7 Dwarves (7矮人)
Around The World In 80 Days (環球世界80天)
Art School Confidential (校園祕密檔案)
Assault On Precinct 13 (殲滅13區)
Bed of Roses (玫瑰花床)
Bedtime Stories (天方夜談)
Before the Devil Knows You're Dead
Big Stan (猛男姦獄)
Blonde and Blonder (波霸與波神)
Bordertown (亡命殺鎮)
Bug (恐怖幻象)
Capote (柯波帝: 冷血告白)
Cashmere Mafia (Season 1, 7 episodes), *NT$80
Cellular (玩命手機)
Changeling (陌生的孩子)
Chasing Papi (劈腿4人行)
Christmas with the Kranks (蹺家大作戰)
City of Ember (微光城市)
Daddy Day Camp (奶爸集中營)
Dark Water (鬼水)
Date Movie (正宗約會電影)
Dodgeball (鐵男躲避球)
Dunks! Volume one (NBA 灌籃高手)
Edison (驚爆頭條內幕)
Eragon
Evan Almighty (王牌天神續集)
Everyone's Hero (洋基英雄)
Fat Albert (擺大肚王搖)
Firewall (防火牆)
Freedomland (自由過度)
Friends with Money (我的好野女友)
Full frontal (正面全裸)
Good Boy! (我愛一嘴毛)
Good Night, And Good Luck (晚安, 祝你好運)
Gun Shy (愛情搶手)
Hannibal Rising (人魔崛起)
Happy Endings (完美結局)
Happy Texas (一籠傻島)
Hardwood Classics Series Double Header (NBA經典復刻版 超級灌籃)
High Crimes (案藏玄機)
Insanitarium (恐怖食人院)
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia - Seasons 1 & 2 (踢球叫練), *NT$150
Kicking & Screaming
Knowing (末日預言)
Lady in the Water
Las Vegas - Season 4 (慾望之都 - 第四季), NT$300
Las Vegas - Season 5 (慾望之都 - 第五季), NT$300
Little Children
Mindstorm (超能戰將)
Monster (女魔頭)
Munich (慕尼黑)
My Mom's New Boyfriend (我媽的新男友)
National Treasure 2 (國家寶藏: 古籍祕辛)
No Vacancy (針孔旅社)
Ocean's Thirteen (瞞天過海: 13王牌)
Passengers (靈異航班)
Paul Blart: Mall Cop (百貨戰警)
Paula Abdul Cardio Dance, *NT$20
Poseidon (海神號)
Pride and Glory (非法警戒)
Resident Evil: Apocalypse (惡靈古堡II:啓示錄)
Respectable
Rogue Assassin (玩命對戰)
Rules of Engagement (火線衝突)
Running with scissors
Saw II
Saw III
Scary Movie 4 (驚聲尖笑4)
Scoop (遇上塔羅牌情人)
Semi-Pro (灌藍大帝)
Shark Attack (噬人鯊)
Shoot 'Em Up (史密斯先生)
Skinned Alive (人皮活剝)
Sleep Cell - 3 Disc Set, *NT$150
Sleep Walking (失控旅程)
Snakes on a Plane (飛機上有蛇)
Spy Game (間諜遊戲)
Stealth (機戰未來)
The 4400 - 3rd season, *NT$300
The 6th day (魔鬼複製人)
The Bounty Hunter (賞金獵手)
The Closer - first season, *NT300
The Contract (死亡契約)
The Exorcism of Emily Rose (驅魔)
The Eye (異度見鬼)
The Flock (屍蹤現場)
The Hillside Strangler (L.A. 殺人狂)
The Ice Harvest (老大凍未條)
The Indian in the Cupboard (魔櫃小奇兵)
The International (黑暗金控)
The Kingdom (反恐戰場)
The Last Sign (惡靈夢魘)
The Living and the Dead (分裂幻象)
The Omen
The Orphanage (靈異孤兒院)
The Producers (金牌製作人)
The Spirit (閃靈俠)
The Taking of Pelham 123 (亡命快劫)
The Third Wheel
The Wendell Baker Story (愛情奧客)
TMNT (忍者龜:炫風再起)
Transamerica (窈窕老爸)
Tropic Thunder (開麥拉驚魂)
Twilight (吸血新世紀)
Underworld: Rise of the Lycans (決戰異世界前傳: 鬼哭狼毫)
United 93
Untraceable (Live殺人網站)
Vantage Point (刺殺據點)
Waking Ned Devine (樂透天)
Wanted (刺客聯盟)
We Own The Night (萬惡夜總會)
What a girl wants
What Just Happened
Chinese DVDs/中國片:
宅變 (The Heirloom)
嫁個有錢人 ( Marry a Rich Man)
夢幻廚房 (Magic Kitchen)
長江7號 (CJ7)
Other Foreign Language DVDs / 其他外語片:
Spanish(西班牙): Di quie Si (真情一路發)
Japanese(日語) – Infection (感染)
Korean(韓文) - My boyfriend is type-B (我的B型男友)
Korean(韓文) - Love, So Divine (緣份的天梯)
Korean(韓文) – Happy Nake Christmas (愛在繽紛季節)
Fuerzabruta World Opening Buenos Aires 2005 (Documentary)
nba per all time 在 小人物上籃 Facebook 八卦
《從 WS/48來看為什麼 LBJ還是追不上 MJ》 by 小人物汪六
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大約一個多月前非常榮幸的代表「詹黑(LeBron Hater)」,在《小人物上籃》裏跟《詹皇御史-皇城隨筆》的 LBJ死忠支持者 Armour辯論了一場。因為這場辯論,特別做了一些批判 LeBron James (LBJ) 的功課,在這邊寫成文章跟大家分享一些觀察跟論點,主要是針對幾個在 podcast上沒辦法好好敘述跟回應的問題,這一篇專注在討論「誰的隊友比較厲害,而誰在 NBA決賽的對手比較厲害?有辦法透過數據回答這個問題嗎?」。
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數據分析的原始碼放在 https://github.com/wangsix/MJ_LBJ_WS_48
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--MJ v.s. LBJ,張飛打岳飛?--
「LBJ 超越 MJ成為 The GOAT (The greatest of all time)了嗎?」已經是這幾年被媒體跟球迷吵到不能再吵的話題。The GOAT 不只是指偉大的或者超級球星,而是在各種不同運動裏被公認為在歷史最頂端的一人,例如高爾夫的 Tiger Woods 或是 NFL(美式足球)的 Tom Brady。而關於 LBJ到底追上 MJ了沒,已經有各種用數據、影片、文字,透過各種不同的角度來分析比較的論點了。在各種論戰中常常聽到的兩個兩邊的支持者都會用的說法是「因為 MJ(或 LBJ)的隊友比較弱(或強)所以 MJ(或 LBJ)比較偉大(或不偉大)。」跟「因為 MJ(或LBJ)在決賽面對的對手比較強,所以 MJ(或LBJ)比較偉大」。而這樣的說法吵到最後都會淪為「張飛打岳飛」,各說各話的局面,因為本來就不可能完全客觀的比較不同時代的球員跟球隊。而我們今天要試著用一個進階數據來試著回答這兩個問題,那就是 WS/48 (win shares per 48 minutes)。
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--WS/48是什麼?--
一個球員的 WS/48代表這個球員在球隊的每一場(48分鐘的比賽)勝利中平均貢獻了多少的百分比。例如現役球員中 WS/48最高(歷史第四)的球員 Chris Paul的 WS/48是 0.2433,代表 Chris Paul在球隊拿下一勝的時候,佔了幾乎 1/4的功勞。如果要理解這個數字的意義,可以跟以下的例子做比對。一場比賽 48分鐘上場五個球員,總共是 240分鐘的比賽時間,假設要是全隊上場的人都對球隊的勝利有一模一樣的貢獻,那一個上場 36分鐘(大概是先發球員的時間)的球員的 WS/48就會是 0.15。拿 0.15這個數字去跟 Chris Paul的 0.2433比較就可以大概有一個概念 Chris Paul超出一個平均球隊先發的水準有多少。而如果拿 0.15這個數字去看所有的球員,會發現其實 0.15已經是球星等級的了,例如 Ray Allen, David Lee, Terry Porter, Shawn Marion等等,不過因為這些球員在新秀期或者是在生涯末端都曾經是角色或板凳球員而影響了上場時間,或實際上對球隊的貢獻,所以生涯的 WS/48就被拉低了,而整個 NBA的平均 WS/48大約是 0.1。
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而我們選擇 WS/48來比較 LBJ跟 MJ在進入 NBA決賽時的隊友還有決賽的對手,也是基於就算 NBA的規則、球風、節奏、球員的技術、體能、身材條件跟健康保持在這過去的三十年都一直在改變或進步,但是一直不變的就是一場 NBA比賽還是 48分鐘、一隊同時五個球員在場上跟每一場比賽只有一隊會贏。在這樣的基礎上,就算現在三分球比 20年前每場多投 20球,比賽的速度(pace)也變快,讓很多數據都沒辦法跨世代比較,WS/48還是能夠拿來衡量平均一個球員貢獻了多少勝利。
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--誰有神(豬)隊友?--
MJ 從退休就以 0.2505的 WS/48 佔據歷史排行榜第一名,而 LBJ則是以 0.2336排在歷史第六(現役第二)。而從下表我們列出歷史上(包括現役)以 WS/48排名前 250名的球員中,是 MJ(紅色) 或 LBJ(黃色)的隊友。我們先不直接用絕對的數值來比較,例如把隊友的 WS/48加起來比較,或平均,因為這個 WS/48是生涯平均,包括了他們在別隊或者在生涯不同時期扮演不同角色的表現。我們看這個列表球員所在的區間跟分佈,來從中觀察有沒有共同點或趨勢。而同時如果我們要直接比較數字的話,那也不用比較隊友了,因為我們可以直接說 MJ的 0.2505是高於 LBJ的 0.2336的,所以 MJ比較厲害,然後就此結案。
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在開始討論表一之前,很多人(老派球迷)可能會因為看到 Ray Allen或者是 KI排在 Scottie Pippen前面就覺得用這個數字排名沒有意義,但是其實從 WS/48的精神來說,S. Pippen在兩分三分跟罰球的低命中率讓他在他的全能之外其實在場上是有缺陷的(當然他離開公牛之後因為年紀跟傷痛表現下滑也是),也傷害了他對球隊貢獻的程度,同樣的道理也能應用在 D. Rodman身上。
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所以如果我們相信(或暫時接受)生涯 WS/48的高低是可以代表球員的「能力」的話,那表一給我們的第一個觀察大概是 LBJ的隊友們都挺「罩」的,至少看起來都比 MJ的隊友們罩,而且 WS/48這個數字也反應出這些 LBJ的隊友都在其他球隊是球隊的第一球星、第一選擇,入選明星賽,all nba teams等等的事實。而 MJ的隊友們,除了 S. Pippen 是公認的 NBA 全能巨星,D. Rodman是年度防守球員跟蟬聯籃板王,Toni Kukoc是年度第六人之外,其他 MJ的隊友最多都只是非常優秀的角色或團隊球員。但是我們也可以提出第二個觀察,就是要是我們忽略快要排到 250之外的 Shane Battier的話,我們也可以說,LBJ最多都只同時有兩個厲害的隊友(熱火時期除外),而 MJ則是在兩次三連霸時期都至少各有四個很「不錯」的隊友。從以上的觀察來說的話,我們能得到的結論是 MJ跟 LBJ的隊友們其實沒有明顯的優劣高下。接下來我們來看 LBJ跟 MJ生涯在決賽面對的對手的 WS/48,來試著回答誰面對的對手比較強?
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--誰的對手比較強?--
表二我們把 LBJ(綠色)跟 MJ(藍色)在 NBA決賽遇到過的對手依照 WS/48的排序列出來,為了方便比較我們把球星分成三個顏色深淺的區塊,最淺的是排名前 50的球員,51~150則是中間,最深的顏色則是 151~250。看表二的第一個觀察會是雖然 MJ跟 LBJ都在 NBA決賽各遇到了 18個 WS/48前 250名的球員,但是 LBJ的確面對了比較多排名在前 50的球員。但是如果我們接下來把 MJ跟 LBJ的決賽紀錄考慮進來的話,可以發現這些排名在前 50的對手球員剛好包括了 LBJ的全部十次 NBA決賽,而 LBJ的戰績是 4勝6敗,而 MJ則是 6勝 0敗。一方面我們可以說,就是因為 LBJ面對強的對手比較多次,所以他沒有辦法像 MJ一樣在決賽的系列賽取得完美的系列賽勝率,但是另一方面考量到 LBJ進了 10次決賽比 MJ多了 4次,那當然會面對到比較多的球員,所以重要的還是能不能擊敗對手拿到冠軍。不過跟表一的觀察一樣,同時考量 MJ跟 LBJ面對的對手在 WS/48排名上的區塊也沒有絕對顯著的差異,而雖然 LBJ面對的前 50的對手比較多,但是 LBJ進決賽的次數也比較多,我們最多可以說的就是我們也沒有辦法說 MJ跟 LBJ面對的對手其實明顯的誰比較強。
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--如果比生涯 WS/48不公平--
用生涯 WS/48的一個缺點是,會低估或高估某些 MJ/LBJ的隊友或對手。比如說 Scottie Pippen在生涯前三年跟後三年的 WS/48都低於 0.1,所以他生涯 0.146的 WS/48絕對是低估了他在公牛兩次三連霸(1990-1998)的 WS/48,而 D. Wade也是類似的狀況。一個解決的方式就是用 MJ跟 LBJ打進決賽的季後賽季 WS/48來比較他們的隊友跟對手。
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如果只看決賽季後賽季,MJ的 WS/48(六年)是 0.2674,而 LBJ(十年)是 0.2466。為了客觀的比較,我們統一納入了在季後賽平均上場超過 15分鐘的隊友跟對手。MJ 六年兩次三連霸以來的隊友,平均的 WS/48是 0.141,前三名是 Horace Grant (0.1843)、Ron Harper(0.1598)跟 Toni Kukoc(0.1595),而 LBJ的 隊友 WS/48平均是 0.1175,前三名是 Anthony Davis(0.284,比 LBJ高)、Chris Anderson(0.2404)跟 Daniel Gibson(0.211)。而對手的話,MJ的對手則是 0.1209,前三名是 Charles Barkley(0.215)、Terry Porter(0.202)跟 Shawn Kemp(0.198)。LBJ的對手季後賽 WS/48平均則是 0.146,前三名是 Kevin Durant(0.2452),Stephen Curry(0.2103)跟 Dirk Nowitzki(0.21)。直接比較 MJ跟 LBJ進入 NBA決賽的季後賽隊友跟對手 WS/48的話,我們可以說 MJ的隊友比 LBJ的隊友厲害(0.141>0.1175),而 LBJ的對手則比 MJ厲害(0.146>0.1209)。但是從排上名的隊友我們可以觀察到兩個問題,第一個問題是光看進入決賽季後賽的WS/48,有一些球員的數據會因為樣本數較少而被高估或低估(或者說跟看比賽的解讀跟印象不同,像上榜的 Daniel Gibson)。第二個問題則是,因為不是比較球員的生涯或者 82場的季賽 WS/48,單季季後賽的 WS/48絕對會受「當季」季後賽的成績影響,意思是在 LBJ的十次進入 NBA決賽的季後賽賽季,他自己跟他的隊友的 WS/48,有可能因為有六次最後是輸的,所以數字被拉低了,而對手的數字當然也會因為贏的比較多而比較高。第一個問題我們可以選擇接受有些角色球員在季後賽對球隊勝利的貢獻可能的確大於我們平常看比賽或者對他們生涯的印象,而第二個問題我們可以只比較 MJ的六次跟 LBJ的四次 NBA冠軍季後賽 WS/48,雖然會讓樣本數更少。
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只看拿到冠軍的季後賽賽季的話,MJ的數字完全沒有改變(因為進決賽六次拿六次冠軍)。而 LBJ的冠軍季後賽 WS/48則是 0.2718,隊友平均是 0.1344(MJ隊友 0.141)。前三名的隊友是 Chris Anderson(0.309)、Anthony Davis(0.284)跟 Kyrie Irving(0.21)。對手的平均則是 0.1303(MJ對手 0.1209),前三名則是 Kevin Durant(0.231)、Jimmy Butler(0.209)跟 Kawhi Leonard/Andrew Bogut(0.194)。根據以上這些 WS/48數字的比較,一個很直接的結論是 LBJ的隊友平均比 MJ的弱一點,然後對手都比 MJ的對手強一點,但是兩者的差距真的很小。不過 LBJ的隊友雖然平均起來可能比 MJ的弱一點,但是那可能是 LBJ在的隊伍都比較「頭重腳輕」,兩巨頭或三巨頭的數字會被其他角色球員的數字拉低,甚至在四季冠軍球季中有兩季 LBJ的 WS/48都不是隊上最高的(平均上場超過 15分鐘的球員裡,MJ則從來沒有不是最高過)。而 LBJ的對手 WS/48比 MJ的對手高的原因,也一定有部分的原因是因為在 LBJ的四次 NBA決賽中,有兩次打到第七戰(MJ最多到第六戰),所以對手的當季季後賽 WS/48也會高一點。如果我們再更進一步的檢視 MJ冠軍六年跟 LBJ冠軍四年的勝率,會發現 MJ在那六年是 90勝 26敗,勝率 0.776,而 LBJ是 64勝 24敗勝率 0.727。勝率的差別完全可以解釋為什麼 MJ的隊友平均的 WS/48會比較高,而對手平均的 WS/48會比較低。LBJ在四次冠軍的 WS/48 0.2718的確高過 MJ的 0.2674,但是其實在這四季中只有一季 LBJ的季後賽 WS/48是全聯盟第一,而 MJ在六次冠軍賽中有三次 WS/48是全聯盟第一。
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--回到 MJ v.s. LBJ--
從一個長期觀察跟批判 LBJ跟同時是死忠 MJ 90年代公牛的 NBA球迷的角度來說,常常聽到試著替 LBJ辯護他在決賽成績遠不如 MJ的論點就是,「MJ 有 Scottie Pippen跟 Dennis Rodman誒!LBJ要是有這樣的隊友也不會輸啊。」或者是「90年代公牛的對手都太弱了啦,要是90年代公牛來到現在,一定也打不過團隊馬刺跟三分勇士。」所以在這邊才會特別想要試著去回答關於 MJ跟 LBJ的隊友跟對手的問題。而我們透過 WS/48可以回答的是,兩個人的隊友其實都是旗鼓相當的,也都面對了差不多強勁的對手。而道理其實很簡單,就是籃球是團隊運動,所以不管是 MJ或 LBJ都不可能只靠自己一個人打進 NBA總決賽,而他們的對手也是。而比較的重點也不是在於要是真的把 90年代的公牛帶來現代或讓今年的湖人回到 90年代會不會拿到冠軍。因為不同年代用不同的規則,球員的技術、體能、戰術觀念、飲食健身保養都不同。但是相同的是,同一個年代的球員都是在同樣的基礎下比賽,而籃球比賽還是五個人上場打 48分鐘,得分多的那隊贏。而如果隊友跟對手不再是拿來造成差異的要素,那回到最根本的 6勝 0敗,跟 4勝 6敗的差別,就是區別 MJ是 GOAT而 LBJ還在追趕他的原因。或許跟 MJ不同的是,LBJ曾經在有好隊友(Wade, Bosh, Shane Battier)的情況下輸給小牛過,也曾經在 K. Love在決賽受傷的情況下跌破眼鏡打贏 73勝勇士。而 MJ的公牛從來都不是「跌破眼鏡」的那一邊,因為他們就是強,而 MJ史上第一屹立不搖的 WS/48也是另一個佐證。而筆者也試著去平衡比較的條件,只用拿冠軍的球季來比較,但是這顯然已經是一種在比較上的讓步了,因為忽略了 LBJ在 NBA決賽「被擊敗」比「擊敗別人」還要多次的事實。
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Shaq attacked, Kobe bounced back and the Los Angeles Lakers got on track.
The Lakers responded like defending champions and evened the NBA Finals at one game each with a 98-89 victory over the feisty Philadelphia 76ers.
Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant both had huge games for the Lakers, who were stunned in overtime in Game One but found a way to slow down Allen Iverson. They held the league Most Valuable Player to 23 points, 10 off his playoff average and less than half of his 48-point explosion in the opener.
O'Neal flirted with the first quadruple-double in Finals history with 28 points, 20 rebounds, nine assists and a record-tying eight blocked shots. Working against Defensive Player of the Year Dikembe Mutombo, he was a one-man wrecking crew in the last five minutes of the third quarter, when the Lakers grabbed control.
"Coach wanted to me to protect the basket more," said O'Neal, who tied a record shared by Bill Walton, Hakeem Olajuwon and Patrick Ewing. "We felt they were getting too many easy shots the first half. So I just tried to step up my defense in the second half."
"I thought Shaq was the dramatically better defensive player in this game," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said.
After a poor performance in Game One, Bryant reminded everyone that he is a superstar, too. He scored 31 points and was extremely aggressive on the offensive end, giving Philadelphia's defense fits.
"I was so upset after Game One," Bryant said. "I didn't want to come out and try to do too much to start the game and take us out of the rhythm of our offense."
"Kobe obviously got a little more room today," Jackson said. "He got some rhythm in his shot and he played a much better game."
Derek Fisher, who was shut out in the opener, also bounced back nicely with 14 points, including a clutch 3-pointer down the stretch. The shot turned back a last-gasp rally by the 76ers, who threw another scare into the heavily favored Lakers.
Even with Iverson frustrated, Philadelphia cut a 13-point deficit in the fourth quarter to 89-86 with more than two minutes to go. But the 76ers stalled themselves by making a Shaq-like 6-of-16 free throws in the final period, including four misses each by Iverson and rookie Raja Bell.
In the waning seconds, Iverson and Bryant got into a heated shouting match and had to be separated by teammates and referees.
"In the heat of the battle, nothing's friendly," Bryant said.
"Ask him," Iverson said. "That's just basketball, man."
Bryant, Fisher and Tyronn Lue combined to do a credible job on Iverson, who made just 10-of-29 shots. He was hit in the face three times in the first half but did not go to the line until the fourth quarter. During the season, Iverson averaged 10 free throws per game.
"As much punishment as I take out there, things that I go through out there, I just can't remember the last time I only went to the free throw line (four times)," Iverson said.
"I would hope he'll get a little more respect," Sixers coach Larry Brown said.
Game Three is Sunday in Philadelphia, where the series shifts for the next three games. The Sixers are trying to win their first title since 1983.
O'Neal's overpowering third quarter gave the Lakers a 77-67 lead going into the final period. Iverson got a technical foul for arguing a non-call after shooting an airball on a 3-pointer at the buzzer.
Iverson's first free throws came at the 10:31 mark and he missed both. Bryant had a 3-pointer, lobbed to O'Neal for a dunk and made a pair at the line to give LA its largest lead at 86-73 with 7:10 left.
But O'Neal took a seat with his fifth foul 32 seconds later and the Sixers began their customary comeback. They pressured the ball, forced bad shots and attacked the basket, creeping within 89-86 with 2:24 to play.
"We ended up taking a game that was relatively benign and making it pretty exciting in the end," Jackson said. "We did it through no good clock management or ball management."
"They keep on coming. They play hard," Bryant said. "You have to respect that."
Los Angeles committed six fouls and five turnovers as Philadelphia fought back without a single point from Iverson, who missed two more from the line during the rally. Bell missed three early in the surge.
"The way we kept fighting back and coming back, I think we spent a lot of energy," Brown said. "Maybe that affected us a little when we went to the free-throw line late."
The Lakers dumped it in to O'Neal, who was double-teamed before finding Fisher, whose 3-pointer from the top opened a 92-86 lead with 2:08 to go.
"He's not only a great scorer on the post, he's a tremendous passer," said Brown, whose squad used more double-teams than in Game One. "That's what you get. You've got to take some poison."
"The reason why I kicked the ball out a lot (was) because they doubled," O'Neal said. "When teams double us, I look to get my other guys involved."
Eric Snow, who earlier took a charge from the 330-pound O'Neal, missed a jumper and Bryant zipped a pass to Ron Harper for a layup with 1:19 left. Iverson made a 3-pointer 16 seconds later but Philadelphia did not score again.
The Lakers shot 47 percent (38-of-81) from the field despite missing their first nine 3-pointers. O'Neal helped them to a 52-42 edge on the glass and got Bryant out in the open court for some easy baskets. Los Angeles had 13 blocks, a Finals record.
"That started our transition," Bryant said. "By him getting blocks, that enabled us guards to get out and run the floor and get easy opportunities."
Mutombo had 16 points and 13 boards for the Sixers, who shot just 39 percent (34-of-87). Aaron McKie scored 14 points, Todd MacCulloch had a playoff career-high 13 and Snow added 12.
In the last five minutes of the third quarter, O'Neal flashed all of the skills that make him the game's best player. He fed Robert Horry and Bryant for dunks around a pair of blocks, giving the Lakers the lead for good at 65-61.
After missing 5-of-6 from the line in the first half, O'Neal made 3-of-4. He added a dunk and smothered MacCulloch, leading to a runner by Bryant for a 72-65 lead. Fisher closed the quarter with a steal, dunk and 3-pointer off a pass from O'Neal.
"Shaq made some very nice passes off the post," Jackson said.
Bryant made 11-of-23 shots. As expected, he came out firing and scored 12 points in the first quarter. Iverson missed his first four shots and Philadelphia looked like it was in trouble as Mutombo and forward Tyrone Hill went to bench with their second fouls 19 seconds apart.
But MacCulloch and Matt Geiger came on and played solid, combining for 11 points over the next nine minutes. A layup by MacCulloch gave the Sixers a 40-33 lead with 6:36 left in the second quarter and Mutombo and Hill returned.
Mutombo backed off O'Neal, allowing him to take over down low. He scored 10 points over the next four minutes to give LA a 45-43 lead with 1:46 remaining.
In the first half, Iverson did not attempt a free throw and the Lakers did not make a 3-pointer, missing seven. Bryant scored 16 points, one more than his total for Game One.
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If Allen Iverson ever becomes a New York Knick, watch out. The 6-foot Georgetown sophomore from Hampton, Va. entered last night's Big East quarterfinal game against Miami averaging 34 points per contest this season at Madison Square Garden. The Hurricanes did little to stop Iverson's Manhattan mastery, as Iverson struck for 38 points and Georgetown rebounded from a lackluster first half to dismiss Miami 92-62 before a sellout crowd of 19,544.
Georgetown 92, Miami 62
Allen Iverson scored 38 points to tie the second-highest total in Big East tournament history. The Hoyas (25-6) reached the semifinal round for the seventh time in eight years and the 14th over all. Miami (15-13) was within 3 points at halftime before the Hoyas outscored the Hurricanes, 51-24.
Iverson made 11 of 21 shots, including 6 of 9 from 3-point range. He made 10 of 11 free throws, with 6 assists, 6 turnovers and 2 steals. In the seven games Iverson has played at Madison Square Garden, the sophomore has averaged 32.2 points. His 38 points in a Big East tournament game trailed only Connecticut's Donyell Marshall, who scored 42 against St. John's two years ago.
Yet near the end, with the Hoyas comfortably ahead, Georgetown Coach John Thompson created a sense of urgency to Iverson's game. "He tells me the end of the game is my time, I should have the ball in my hands," Iverson said. "So if somebody else turns it over, he yells at me. I just tell my teammates: 'Let me get the ball. He'll scream at me.' "
Steve Rich, a Miami senior forward, scored 15 points, 11 of which came in the first half. Steven Edwards, Miami's leading scorer with an average of 13.2 points, did not score.
Georgetown holds the conference record with six tournament championships, twice as many as Syracuse, the next most successful program. But the Hoyas have not won a Big East title since 1989.
"As long as we play defense hard," Iverson said, "everything is going to work out for us."
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Allen Iverson made the most of the wide-open look Andre Iguodala never gave Kobe Bryant.
Iverson outplayed Bryant in an anticipated matchup of the league's leading scorers, scoring 34 points and sinking the winner with 22.2 seconds left to lead the 76ers to an 85-81 win over the Los Angeles Lakers on Friday night.
Iverson -- stumbling in the fourth quarter after he missed an easy layup, two free throws and was whistled for traveling -- stepped just inside the 3-point arc and buried a jumper in the final seconds for an 83-81 lead.
Bryant missed a jumper over Iguodala with about 5 seconds left, and Iverson made two free throws to seal Philadelphia's third straight win after losing its first three.
Kyle Korver and John Salmons each hit critical 3-pointers in the final 2½ minutes to pad the Sixers' lead, but it wasn't enough once Bryant finally got going.
Unable to find his shot all game against Iguodala's sticky D, Bryant came through in the final minute with a three-point play and then another basket with 37.8 seconds left to rally the Lakers and tie the score at 81.
But Iverson made up for a small stretch of miscues that nearly cost the Sixers, hitting a jumper that sent the crowd into a frenzy.
"Once they made one breakdown, they left me open and I got a good look at it," Iverson said.
Bryant came in averaging a league-high 34.8 points, but was held in check by Iguodala on 7-for-27 shooting.
"That's something we expect from Dre every night," Iverson said. "We know he has the ability to shut people down."
Chris Mihm picked up the slack inside with 20 points, and Lamar Odom added 16.
Iverson -- second in the league behind Bryant with 29.8 points -- fired up the Sixers and started a rally late in the fourth when he was challenged on his way to the basket.
After a rare miss on an uncontested fastbreak layup on the previous possession, Iverson was staggered on a hard foul the next time down by Sasha Vujacic. Vujacic threw his arm back and connected with Iverson in the neck, sending the feisty All-Star into a fit. He needed to be restrained from a possible fight.
Both players were whistled for technicals, so Iverson attempted only two free throws for the shot, and he paced around the court, agitated, before going to the line.
After he sank the first one, he turned to his left and glared at Vujacic. He hit the second to pull the Sixers to 69-66.
Iverson added two more free throws the next time down and Chris Webber followed with a spin move to give the Sixers a 70-69 lead.
But Iverson missed two free throws with the Sixers holding a 78-74 lead and traveled with 52 seconds left, allowing Bryant to make the game-tying running jumper.
Bryant missed his first eight shots before going up-and-under for his first bucket late in the second quarter. Bryant added another before the halftime buzzer to give the Lakers a 46-42 lead.
He was stifled in the first half (3-for-14) by Iguodala.
"That was a game I was forced to take a lot of shots with a hand in my face," Bryant said.
Iguodala might have concentrated too much on defense, because he was a non-factor offensively until his baseline jumper gave the Sixers a 73-71 lead. Iguodala made another timely play when Bryant was hit with an offensive foul for pushing off on the next possession.
Iguodala scored five points, but he finished with 11 rebounds.
"I had some shots I should have made," Bryant said. "We had difficulty down the stretch. We weren't able to capitalize on some makable shots."
While Bryant struggled, the Lakers relied on Mihm. The 7-foot center with the meager 6.8 points per average played outstanding, shooting 8-for-12 from the floor and finishing with nine rebounds.